Yes, you can make a pass line bet at any time. However, you give up the come out roll, which twice the chance of winning as losing. Making a late pass or come bet is called a 'put' bet.

Marty from Houston, USA

There are lots of them. Many casinos give free gambling lessons in the mornings when things are slow.

The Choctaw Casino in Durant Oklahoma has recently introduced a craps table using cards. They use 48 cards, ace to six, from eight decks. The shooter calls a number between one and six. Then the dealer counts off that number and the next two cards are used to establish the roll. So Oklahoma is within months away from having Craps with real dice and Roulette with a real ball in their casinos. On paper, it would seem that this gets rid of the 'catch' when playing craps and roulette like there is now. As of right now, its either played on a video screen (roulette) or craps is played with cards or some other goofy workaround. Step right up and roll the dice. Riverwind Casino is the place to try your luck at one of the most classic casino games around: craps. During craps, you’ll be betting on the outcome of a roll of the dice, or a series of rolls – with potentially big payouts. If you’re a beginner at the game, don’t sweat, at each craps. Go ahead and table your other plans – your day just got more exciting. Stop by any of Riverwind’s table games, you’ll find there’s something for everyone. Whether you swing by the Blackjack tables for a chance at a prize-winning hand, ante up at the Ultimate Texas Hold ‘Em tables, go all-in on a 00. Aug 05, 2019 Firelake Grand Casino: Best Craps game in Oklahoma! - See 165 traveler reviews, 2 candid photos, and great deals for Shawnee, OK, at Tripadvisor.

You seem to be forgetting that the 5% commission is taken off the top and the player doesn’t get it back if he wins (except some casinos give it back on a buy 4 or 10 bet). A $100 place bet on 5 will get back $100+$100*(7/5) =$240 if it wins. If you bet $100 on the buy 5 the 5% commission will reduce the bet to $95.24. If the bet wins the player will get back $95.24+$95.24*(3/2) = $238.10. The place 5 bet returns an extra $1.90.

Good question. When the house edge is quoted as 1.52% on place 6 bet, for example, it is per bet resolved. In other words it is assumed the player leaves it up there until a 6 or 7 is rolled. However if the player’s intent were to leave it up for one roll only the house edge would be 0.46%.

I don’t think the takeover had any effect on the craps at Binion’s Horseshoe in Vegas. Although they used to offer 100x odds they ended that long before the federal marshals shut them down earlier this year. The best odds in Vegas can now be found at the Casino Royale (between the Venetian and Harrah’s), which offers 100x odds.

First, it doesn’t make any difference that the shooter is making lots of money. Your odds are the same on an ice-cold table. The past does not matter. However if you are going to play then wait patiently for a come out roll. Never make a pass bet after a point has been established.

There is no particular place. You have to give the chips to the dealer and tell him to put them on the odds. For example assume you make a come bet and the next roll is a nine. The way I do it is I wait until I get the dealer’s attention, put the bet anywhere he can easily reach it, and say 'odds on the nine.'

You’re correct, dice alone can not determine the outcome in craps. There are various ways of using cards in place of dice and still have the odds exactly the same. One way is to use two separate decks, thus there is no effect of removal. Another way is to have a 7-card deck, featuring the numbers 1 to 6, plus a seventh 'double' card. The first card drawn can never be the double card. If it is then it is put back in and the process repeats from the beginning. If the double card is drawn second then it counts as whatever the first number drawn was. Regardless of how the casino does it I have never seen hard evidence of a case where the odds were different than if two dice were used. So I think you are omitting something from the rules.

The Casino Royale, which offers 100x odds. For complete playing conditions in Vegas please see my new Vegas craps directory.

I recently witnessed a situation at the local tribal casino involving protocol at the craps table that puzzled me, and I'm wondering if you clarify it for me. On his come out roll, Player ’A’ threw a number and established a point. For the next roll, the player next to ’A’ (Player ’B’) picked up the dice and shot. It’s not clear why he did this, or if he even knew ’A’. One of the other players objected, pointing out that ’B’ was not the original shooter. After much discussion and head scratching by the dealers and the boxman, the dice were passed to the next player (Player ’C’) who finished the hand (he eventually sevened out).

Was this the correct protocol for this situation, and if so, what is the logic behind it? If Player ’A’ for some reason simply didn't want to shoot any more, why shouldn’t he be allowed to relinquish the dice? If Player ’B’ picked up the dice because he didn't understand the game, or if the stickman mistakenly put them in front of him, shouldn't the dice go back to ’A’ to finish the hand?

I asked the Bone Man at nextshooter.com this one. Here is what he said.

If a player other than the correct shooter picks up the dice and rolls them, it should be a no-call, no-roll and the dice should be returned to the correct shooter. Though this is indeed the proper ruling, the boxman in some instances may allow for the roll if the result is to the favor of all or most of the players. In some instances, the result of the roll may not effect any of the player(s) wagers. Also... Any player can request that the dice be sent to the next shooter to finish a hand. In such cases the same dice may be sent out or the new shooter can request new dice. Upon the completion of the roll, the SAME shooter can then shoot HIS/HER OWN HAND, thereby having more than one hand.

Hi - Great website! I’ve read lots of info here about tipping, but I’m still confused about how to tip for craps in particular. I’ve never played craps (in fact, have rarely played any table games at all) and am trying to get the rules down before my first attempt.

How exactly do I tip at a craps table? There are several people working the table. Do I put down a bet and they all share any winnings? How do I let them know the bet is for them? When, how often, and where should I place this bet? You said something on one of the pages I read about putting out chips 'for the dealers' -- do you just randomly toss out some chips and say 'for the dealers'? Do you pass them to a specific person? How much do you tip? What if I happen to think that one person at the table has been particularly helpful, while another has been scowling at my inexperience? Can (or should) you tip one more than another? Thanks for any help and for a great website!

Craps With Cards

You’re welcome. Thanks for the kind words. In my experience, most players make proposition bets for the dealers. For example, a 'two way yo' bet is split 50/50 between the player and dealers. To make this bet, a player will hand or toss the bet to one of the dealers and say 'two way yo.' However, all the proposition bets are sucker bets, which will cut down the value of the tip by up to 16.7%. As you said, I prefer to give the dealer the tip directly, as opposed to betting it. Before a come out roll I will try to get a dealer’s attention and then put the tip in front of him, saying 'for the dealers.' I don’t like making pass line tips for the dealers, because I’ve been goaded into tipping extra on the odds, which was more than I intended to offer. If you must make a bet for the dealers, I would put it on the field, saying loudly 'dealers in the field.'

Craps Odds Card

To answer your second question, dealers are only obligated to share cash tips. Anything else they may keep for themselves. I asked about this at the Venetian and the floorman said dealers may accept personal gifts up to $100 in value. Acceptable gifts can be things with a close to cash value, including gift certificates and unresolved sports tickets. It was quietly added that if a player gave a dealer an envelope, nobody other than the player and dealer would ever have to know what was in it. Should you decide to give a specific dealer a tip I would suggest being discreet about it, putting it in an envelope, and away from the table.

I am going on vacation to England and the Rendezvous Casino in Brighton offers different payouts in craps than U.S. Casinos. Could you please tell me the house edge on the various bets that differ?

Place 4,10 - 9 1/2 to 5
Place 5,9 -7 to 5
Place 6,8 - 7 to 6
Any Craps - 7 1/2 to 1
Hardways 4,10 - 7 1/2 to 1
Hardways 6,8 - 9 1/2 to 1
Aces/Midnight - 33 to 1
Ace,Deuce/Eleven - 16 to 1

I just added a section to my craps section on the Rendezvous Rules.

This sounds very promising! If this is true, there would be lots of opportunities to count cards. I don’t know if they even allow them, but I think the best opportunities would be on the proposition bets. For example, the “yo” bet, which pays 15 to 1 on an 11, would have a 9.43% house advantage off the top of the deck. However, if no 5 or 6 appears in the first two rolls, the odds swing to a player edge of 5.80%. This same principle would apply to any two-number hop bet.

Recently, I was in a casino in Oklahoma, playing craps. There are a few rule changes to the 'normal' craps rules. Instead of dice, the casino uses a deck of 54 cards (Aces through 6). The stickman will ask you for a number between 1-3. He’ll then burn that number of cards and then put the next two face up. That becomes the dice roll. After approximately half to 3/4 of the deck has been used, a new deck is brought in and the old deck is shuffled.

Also, if you want to make a bet on the table, you’ll have to pay a dollar ante to the casino. You pay only $1 per come out roll. Once the point is established you can bet as much/little as you’d like without another payment of ante. The table limits are from 5 dollars to 300 dollars.

If the dealer went through 39 cards (out of 54) before re-shuffling the deck, you can count/see 26 of those cards. Previously, you’ve said that if there are a lot of 5s and 6s left in the deck, you would bet the 'yo 11' bet. Can you develop a more effective strategy and way for betting in this casino? I truly feel that this game is beatable. Would a count of high/low, like counting cards in blackjack, work? Thanks.

I still say hop bets, like the yo-11, are the way to go. Using chips, you could keep track of how many cards of each face are left in the decks.

With 26 unseen cards, if any one face had 6 left in the deck, you would have a 43.1% advantage on a hard hop bet (two of the same face), assuming it paid 30 to 1. With only 5 left, the house would have a 4.6% advantage.

The easy hops are even more exploitable. If the two dice sides in majority have at least 10 left combined, both with a minimum of 3 left, out of 26 unseen cards, then make an easy hop bet on those two numbers. If two numbers have 5 left, you will have a 23.1% advantage. If one has 4 and one has 6, you will have an 18.2% advantage. If one has 3 and one has 7, you will have a 3.4% advantage. All this assumes easy hop bets pay 15 to 1.

None of the above takes into consideration the $1 fee. As long as you are making large bets, it won’t make much difference.

The odds change a little bit compared to craps played with dice, due to the effect of card removal. Regardless what the first card is, there is less than a 1/6 chance that the next card will be the same value. As an example of the effect, the house edge on the pass bet is 1.41% with dice, but 1.34% in this game. I indicate the house edge for all the bets in a new table at the end of my page on Card Craps, for various numbers of decks, including eight.

For points of 4 to 6: ((7-p)/(5+p))*(1/(1+o))

For points of 8 to 10: ((p-7)/(19-p))*(1/(1+o))

This question was raised and discussed in the forum of my companion site Wizard of Vegas.

'Anonymous' .

For the benefit of those who don't understand the question, books, videos, and lessons allege that it’s possible to beat the odds in craps with a careful toss that favors certain outcomes, namely lowering the probability of a total of seven to less than 1 in 6. I'm firmly in the skeptics camp on this one. I have yet to see any credible evidence leading me to believe that anyone can consistently influence the dice. There is much more money to be made selling books and lessons on how to do it than actually doing it.

deja vu

Card Craps Vs Dice Craps

Greetings!
This is Oklahoma House Bill 3375, which is what allows Craps to take place inside of Tribal Casinos:
http://webserver1.lsb.state.ok.us/cf_pdf/2017-18%20ENR/hB/HB3375%20ENR.PDF
The first thing we know is that the game may not be house banked:

'Non-house-banked table games' means any table game, including
but not limited to those table games involving a wheel, ball or
dice, operated in a nonelectronic environment in which the tribe has
no interest in the outcome of the game, including games played in
tournament formats and games in which the tribe collects a fee from
the player for participating, and all bets are placed in a common
pool or pot from which all player winnings, prizes and direct costs
are paid. As provided in this section, administrative fees may be
charged by the tribe against any common pool or pot in an amount
equal to any fee paid the state; provided, that the tribe may seed
any pool or pot as it determines necessary from time to time.

In other words, it seems like the tribe can charge whatever percent of the prize pool that it wants (similar to a rake in poker) provided they are paying the State of Oklahoma the same amount, or more.
This paragraph really confuses me:

B. The Tribe agrees, subject to the enforcement and exclusivity
provisions of its Compact, to pay to the State ten percent (10%) of
the monthly net win of the common pool(s) or pot(s) from which
prizes are paid for non-house-banked table games. The Tribe is
entitled to keep an amount equal to State payments from the common
pool(s) or pot(s) as part of its cost of operating the games. For
all purposes, such payment shall be deemed an exclusivity and fee
payment under paragraph 2 of subsection A of Part 11 of the StateTribal
Gaming Compact between the electing Tribe and the State.

Reports claim that the state expects to generate over twenty million dollars in revenue as a result.
It uses the language ten percent of the monthly, 'Net Win,' so I don't really know what that could mean if it's not house banked. I can't tell if it means 10% of what the players themselves win or if it means 10% of what the house rakes. I'm guessing the former because the bill then goes on to state that The Tribe is allowed to keep an amount equal to the payments to the state.
If I had to guess, the tribe has to pay the state 10% of whatever players win and are themselves entitled to keep as much as 10% of what players win, thereby resulting in a 20% rake. I don't know how you would really apply that to Craps, though. I might try to call the casinos and see if I can get more information on Monday.
The only thing I know is that it's player-banked, but beyond that, I can't wrap my head around how you can apply that to Craps. That's especially true when it comes to center action type bets.

I'm hearing that the craps and roulette in Oklahoma will not be against the house but will be against the other players.

Sounds like the California card room situation, where there’s a big player at the table who acts as the banker.

Sounds like the California card room situation, where there’s a big player at the table who acts as the banker.

Indeed, but don't the players in California pay a straight fee of $1 per hand to the house? I don't think the casino rake has anything to do with the amount won on either side, does it? This seems like it might be more like a poker rake.VCUSkyhawkI believe OK already has an ante in place for its games.